Dr. Sebastian Gorka: We Will Lose a “Winnable” War Against Jihad If We Refuse to “Talk About the Enemy as They Are.” By John Hayward. Breitbart, April 11, 2016.
Dr. Sebastian Gorka. Interviewed by Stephen K. Bannon. Audio. Breitbart News Sunday, April 10, 2016. Soundcloud.
Dr. Sebastian Gorka. Interviewed by Stephen K. Bannon. Audio. Breitbart News Sunday, April 10, 2016. Soundcloud.
Hayward:
Breitbart News National Security Editor Dr. Sebastian Gorka, author of Defeating Jihad: The Winnable War, appeared on Breitbart News Sunday to answer host Stephen K. Bannon’s challenge that, contrary to the title, his book doesn’t make the war against jihad sound very “winnable” at all.
Breitbart News National Security Editor Dr. Sebastian Gorka, author of Defeating Jihad: The Winnable War, appeared on Breitbart News Sunday to answer host Stephen K. Bannon’s challenge that, contrary to the title, his book doesn’t make the war against jihad sound very “winnable” at all.
Gorka
said he was motivated to write the book because he has seen “sixteen years of
right-wing Administrations and left-wing Administrations punt the ball, or
completely drop the ball, on this war.”
“But we
can win it, if we have the
leadership,” he contended, saying his book contains “the recipe to win this war
rapidly.”
Gorka
argued that the “history of modern jihad” began in 1979. “If you want to understand September the
11th, if you want to understand the Boston bombing, the Ft. Hood massacre, the
recent massacre in San Bernardino, the recent attack in Brussels, it all begins
in 1979,” he said.
“It
begins with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan that triggers the first
organization that predates al-Qaeda, which was the Arab Services Bureau, the mujahadeen. That’s where al-Qaeda begins in 1979. Then we have the Iranian revolution, hugely
important because we have one nation-state that says Islam can be re-integrated
into politics. It’s the Shia, yes, but
this is a model for all Muslims: we can create theocracies, and be successful,
and reject the Western model of politics,” Gorka continued.
He
added a third highly significant event from that era, which most Americans
haven’t heard of: “Three hundred jihadis, in 1979, armed with automatic
weapons, sieged and captured the most important site in all of Islam, the Grand
Mosque at Mecca. And it is the
consequences of that siege, in which the Saudi regime signed a pact with the
devil, if you will, with the extremist fundamentalist clerics in Saudi Arabia —
that’s where it all begins.”
The
understanding between the Saudi regime and jihadis had the effect of turning
both violent terrorism and Islamist ideology outward, buying peace for the
Saudis at the rest of the world’s expense.
As Bannon noted, the siege was also a huge media event across the Muslim
world, giving the radicals who captured the Grand Mosque a platform to express
their beliefs and win converts.
Gorka
proposed two reasons why the Western media has never assigned the proper
historical significance to the siege of Mecca: it’s too complicated to explain
for a mainstream press interested primarily in quick sound bites, and it
reflects poorly on America’s nominal ally, Saudi Arabia.
“We
made a strategic decision after World War II that Saudi Arabia would be our
partner, would be our so-called ally, so we don’t want to talk about the fact
that Saudi Arabia is, in part, responsible for the export of the most
totalitarian ideology active today, which is global jihadism,” he said.
“During
the siege, the King managed to identify the fact that these aren’t just a bunch
of Koran-beating yahoos. These 300
jihadis had the blessing, had the support, of key members of the Saudi clerical
class, the ulamaa, the wise theologians
– who said, ‘yep, Islam’s lost its way, we’re surrounded by apostates, the King
is a puppet of the West, and we need a holy war to cleanse Islam,’” Gorka
explained. “When the King found that
out, he invited these clerics to the palace for a little chat, and he said to
them, ‘Gentlemen, I know who you are, and I know your connection to these
jihadis. Let me offer you a deal. If you guarantee for me that my nation — my
country, Saudi Arabia, and my family — will never, ever be threatened again by
this kind of extremist violence, this jihadism, you will become the court ulamaa.
You will become the clerics to the House of Saud. You, your sons, and
your grandsons will have jobs for life.’”
Crucially,
the Saudi monarchy also offered the help finance the export of jihad ideology
around the world, “and for the last 25 years, we have been paying the price for
that deal,” Gorka said, counting among those toxic imports Salafism, Wahabbi
Islam, and the Deobandi sect, which is far more influential in European and American
mosques than most outsiders realize.
Gorka
said it was crucial for Western leaders to “jettison this fantasy that you hear
all the time, after 9/11, that Islam needs a ‘Reformation.’” As he explained, the Christian Reformation
was driven by the urge to “get back to basics,” such as studying the Bible and
developing a fundamental understanding of the faith. That is precisely the message of the Islamic
“extremists” and jihadis of today. In their eyes, they are the Reformation.
The
“dirty little secret that nobody wants to tell you,” as Gorka put it, is that
the Islamist ideology of al-Qaeda or ISIS “is not fundamentally un-Islamic
because it is the Seventh Century interpretation of Islam that comes straight
from the Koran.”
“The
second half of the Koran is uber-violent.
It’s about killing infidels,” he explained. “As a result, we don’t need more reformation
to get back to basics because then we will empower the jihadis.”
In
order to cut through political correctness and Washington static, Gorka had a
provocative request for listeners: “Every American citizen who cares about the
republic, after 9/11, you don’t have an excuse.
Buy a Koran. Don’t listen to the
conventional wisdoms that are being spewed out by the mainstream media. Go to the primary source, and make a judgment
for yourself about this religion.”
He also
stressed the importance of understanding that, unlike the Bible and most other
religious texts, the Koran is meant to be the unchallengeable word of God,
dictated to Mohammed by the archangel Gabriel, rather than a series of stories
and prophetic revelations that might be subject to reinterpretation by later
authorities. Gorka suggested it might be
helpful to think of the entire Koran as if it were the Ten Commandments —
except, of course, that the Koran is much more comprehensive, detailed, and particular
than the rather terse Commandments.
In a
similar vein, he challenged the common talking point that “jihad” refers to
constructive, non-violent internal struggles against temptation by noting that
on “twelve times as many occasions in the Koran, when the word ‘jihad’ is used,
it’s not about peaceful inner striving,” but instead describes “martial war,
kinetic war, defeating and suppressing the enemy until they convert to the One
True Faith, or until you have successfully destroyed them.”
He
noted that jihad is certainly understood that way by terrorists and Islamist
leaders, such as ISIS, which waged an aggressive war of conquest to
re-establish the Islamic “caliphate” abolished by Turkish leader Kemal Ataturk
a century ago.
“The
Islamic State now holds territory in multiple countries of the Middle East and
Africa,” Gorka observed. “This is stunning. They hold territory in Iraq, in Libya, in
Syria, and now Boko Haram has become part of the caliphate, which means
anything that belongs to Boko Haram in Nigeria is part of the new
caliphate. That means we have more than
six million people living on the territory of the new Islamic empire.” He further noted that empire boasts some
76,000 fighters, many of them foreign recruits, and is making between $2
million and $4 million per day, with income streams ranging from banditry to
legal taxation.
In
Gorka’s estimation, the refusal of Western political leaders to understand the
unique nature of Islam, and the significance of such historic events as the Grand
Mosque siege, lies at the heart of the leadership vacuum that might cause us to
lose the war against jihad, despite our enormous military, technological, and
economic advantages.
For
example, Western leaders have deliberately blinded themselves to the
penetration of Western mosques by radical imams, refusing to ask critical
questions about where immigrant clerics were educated. Gorka said the Obama Administration is also
politically aligned against one of the few successful examples of
de-radicalization in the Middle East, the “coup” conducted against the Muslim
Brotherhood by President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi in Egypt.
“We
have to support those regimes, whether it’s Egypt or whether it’s King Abdullah
in Jordan, who have a different understanding of Islam and modernity,” Gorka
urged. “We need more people like Ataturk
— people who say, ‘Look, I’m the democratically elected head of this country,
and I don’t care what the Koran says about killing infidels right now. We don’t do that because we like America, we
like the West, and I’m going to tell you what Islam is.’ The State Department doesn’t like to hear
that because they want to have freedom of religion, but if you’re dealing with
Islam that has a Seventh Century original version that is violent, we cannot do
that.”
The
Department of Homeland Security doesn’t like to hear that, either. Gorka related an astonishing story of being
approached by a DHS official, after he delivered an eight-hour presentation on
jihad to law-enforcement officials, who told him the real threat facing America was not Islamist terror but “right-wing
extremists” and offered the 21-year-old Oklahoma City bombing as evidence of
this imminent threat.
“I
doubt the average law-enforcement officer, or American taxpayer, would agree
with the government line in Washington,” he observed.
Gorka
compared that government line on Islamism to the authorities informing American
troops to avoid potentially offensive terms like “Nazi” as they were preparing
to storm the beaches of Normandy on D-Day, or the authorities in the Fifties
telling law enforcement to avoid terms like “white supremacist” when dealing
with the Ku Klux Klan because they were really just “misguided Democrats.”
“Today
we can’t use the world ‘jihad.’ We can’t
talk about religion. It is banned. And if you can’t talk about the enemy, you
will not win,” he warned.
It’s no
laughing matter that the enemy shares no such reticence when it comes to
discussing us. Gorka discusses Islamist godfather Sayyid
Qutb and his landmark book Milestones,
which can be downloaded in its entirety from The Gorka Briefing. He remarked on how Qutb offered a savage
critique of America as a land of decadence that had to be destroyed by the
jihad –and he was writing in the 1950s, after visiting idyllic, wholesome small
towns in the West. Qutb’s work is almost
universally read by jihadis, who, he noted, tend to be far better educated and
deliberate in their ideology than the U.S. State Department gives them credit
for.
“It is
a totalitarian ideology that defines itself against us,” Gorka said of
jihad. “We are the antithesis. Everything America stands for — individual
liberty, based on the dignity of the human being made in the image of God —
that is what must be destroyed or enslaved.
This is not random acts of violence.
It has a plan. It has a
strategy.”
In
other words, and in summation, jihadis believe they are in a war, and they
believe they have a workable strategy to win it. Those are the two elements most sorely
missing from the West’s political leadership, which, Gorka noted, does not like
to speak in terms of defeating a jihadist enemy and is often profoundly
uncomfortable with using terms like “enemy,” “victory,” or “war.”
“Think
about one thing. This is provocative,
but I believe it. Why do we have 22 vets
commit suicide every 24 hours in America?” Gorka asked. “Why do we have unprecedented levels of PTSD
in this nation? Our grandfathers saw
some bad stuff in World War II, especially in the Pacific, especially when they
liberated the death camps. But when they came home in the 1950s, they didn’t
eat the barrel of a 1911. Why? Because they knew they were on the side of the angels. Their President, their commander, told them,
‘This is a war against evil, and what you are going to see may be nasty, but
it’s okay, guys, you’re on the side of Right.’
We don’t say that anymore.”
“If we
don’t have a sense of victory, if we don’t talk about the enemy as they are, we
could lose this war,” Gorka warned before sadly concluding that Europe, from
whence he hails, has already lost
it. “America is ten years behind Europe,
if you look at the threat internally, and not just from terrorism… We’ve got,
tops, five years. If the next Administration
doesn’t go to war — with our Muslim allies — against the jihadists, we could
lose this, either kinetically, or from the inside through subversion. Five years, maximum.”
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